part so ptee does duty for the holos we soon grow to use of an
allforabit. Here (please to stoop) are selveran cued peteet peas of
quite a pecuniar interest inaslittle as they are the pellets that make
the tomtummy's pay roll. Right rank ragnar rocks and with these
rox orangotangos rangled rough and rightgorong. Wisha, wisha,
whydidtha? Thik is for thorn that's thuck in its thoil like thum-
fool's thraitor thrust for vengeance. What a mnice old mness it
all mnakes! A middenhide hoard of objects! Olives, beets, kim-
mells, dollies, alfrids, beatties, cormacks and daltons. Owlets' eegs
(O stoop to please!) are here, creakish from age and all now
quite epsilene, and oldwolldy wobblewers, haudworth a wipe o
grass. Sss! See the snake wurrums everyside! Our durlbin is
sworming in sneaks. They came to our island from triangular
Toucheaterre beyond the wet prairie rared up in the midst of the
cargon of prohibitive pomefructs but along landed Paddy Wip-
pingham and the his garbagecans cotched the creeps of them
pricker than our whosethere outofman could quick up her whats-
thats. Somedivide and sumthelot but the tally turns round the
same balifuson. Racketeers and bottloggers.
Axe on thwacks on thracks, axenwise. One by one place one
be three dittoh and one before. Two nursus one make a plaus-
ible free and idim behind. Starting off with a big boaboa and three-
legged calvers and ivargraine jadesses with a message in their
mouths. And a hundreadfilled unleavenweight of liberorumqueue
to con an we can till allhorrors eve. What a meanderthalltale to
unfurl and with what an end in view of squattor and anntisquattor
and postproneauntisquattor! To say too us to be every tim, nick
and larry of us, sons of the sod, sons, littlesons, yea and lealittle-
sons, when usses not to be, every sue, siss and sally of us, dugters
of Nan! Accusative ahnsire! Damadam to infinities!
True there was in nillohs dieybos as yet no lumpend papeer
in the waste, and mightmountain Penn still groaned for the micies
to let flee. All was of ancientry. You gave me a boot (signs on
it!) and I ate the wind. I quizzed you a quid (with for what?) and
you went to the quod. But the world, mind, is, was and will be
writing its own wrunes for ever, man, on all matters that fall
Naughty naughty! Look, I like what you are doing but you should be aware if you aren’t already that you are posting copywritten material.
https://joycefoundation.utulsa.edu/joyce-copyright/joyce-works-copyright-public-domain/
These works go into the public domain in 2035, meaning at that time you can distribute the whole work as a PDF or whatever for free. Until then, what you are doing isn’t considered “fair use” unless it is transformative and/or something like 70% of the original work has been altered.
Doubtful that anyone will crack down on you here but mods may not like it and since this is text it is trivially easy for publishers to search and submit DMCA takedown requests. If the instance owners get one they will not be on your side - to keep the instance they will need to remove these posts.
Anyway, good luck either way. If you wanted to review the book and provide excepts that would be transformative and fair use (which is why reaction videos of copywritten content is or almost is fair use). But this doesn’t seem to be your goal so I wish you well.
Naughty naughty! Look, I like what you are doing but you should be aware if you aren’t already that you are posting copywritten material.
It was copyrighted at one time…
These works go into the public domain in 2035,
Are you sure about that? Do you know about Europe’s copyright dates? And further, are you basing that on 1939 copyright date… when I’m posting content from a decade earlier, 1928?
I posted the link which contains all the questions you’re asking including information on other countries. That link says that finnegans wake goes into public domain 2035.
I am not advocating for this copyright system and I can only speak for what I know from US law but in the US publishers have been pushing public domain release dates further and further. Disney is probably the worst offender, as they have pushed to have copyright extended for 70 years after walt Disney’s death.
I wouldn’t pose myself as an expert in Europe’s copyright law but again the link from the james joyce foundation states when this work goes into public domain.
This is the org that would need to send a takedown notice to get this content removed, and this is what they are claiming.
European Union, United Kingdom, Republic of Ireland
All editions of Joyce’s works published during his lifetime are in the public domain in these countries. An exception appears to be Spain, which has a copyright term of the author’s life plus 80 years. Joyce’s lifetime-published works will remain in copyright there until the end of 2021.
The issue for instance owners and for you is that there isn’t an easy way to gate this content to only those countries. It’s usually easier just to remove it.
Does archive.org have the book? You could probably post those links, and let archive.org take the heat. They currently are arguing that they are a library and should be allowed to distribute these works. No idea how well that will go but instance owners probably wouldn’t care about links to an archive.org page.
Looks like they do.
I see you seek this kind of participation out. “On the internet, not everyone knows you’re an idiot.” being your profile statement. And that I’m not the first Lemmy community you have come along to concerning your copyright topics. Are you being paid by copyright holders to do this or something? Is it is some project or business to make USA copyright convention a world wide standard, ignoring that even in Joyce’s home focus of Ireland the work is no longer copyrighted?
Going around openly saying you are out to demonstrate other people are idiots… I think is a pretty well paved path to try and drag down societies in total.
“The chief deficiency I see in the skeptical movement is its polarization: Us vs. Them — the sense that we have a monopoly on the truth; that those other people who believe in all these stupid doctrines are morons; that if you’re sensible, you’ll listen to us; and if not, to hell with you. This is nonconstructive. It does not get our message across. It condemns us to permanent minority status.” ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the DarkI see you seek this kind of participation out.
what kind of participation… conversation? … no…? but maybe someone could say yes? Here’s my workflow:
- get distracted
- open lemmy
- scroll new/all and find random posts
- sometimes comment
“On the internet, not everyone knows you’re an idiot.” being your profile statement.
“On the internet, not everyone knows you’re a cat”. But also, I’m not able to use my brain correctly so I feel like a complete idiot when I’m not medicated. Even when medicated, I’m not so sure I do the smartest things. Easier to just own it and self-report a little.
And that I’m not the first Lemmy community you have come along to concerning your copyright topics.
Yeah, copyright and law interests me a bit. Not enough to want to become a lawyer, but enough for me to try to understand the law in the ways it applies to me. I’ve got lots of other interests too: programming, gaming, electronics, radio, djing, feminism, leftism…
Are you being paid by copyright holders to do this or something?
Nope, but that’s probably not enough to convince you. Instead, to convince you let’s try to think about what value I could possibly be bringing to copyright holders. People who hold copyright on a work can issue takedown requests, and it goes like this: email the webmaster and if they don’t comply, email the webmaster’s host, and if they don’t comply start firing the lawyers. But the thing is, they do comply, becuase web site owners don’t want to get sued. That’s a pretty powerful device, don’t you think? They don’t even need to argue with people on the internet, they just send a templated email (it’s usually something like “your site is hosting copyrighted content we own the rights to: this content needs to be removed immediately”) and boom! the content is gone!
So, where do I enter into this? Great question, because I don’t. Why would copyright holders pay a random idiot to argue random internet commenters about copyright law? They wouldn’t, they don’t need to. Some copyright holders such as disney have teams of lawyers to handle this stuff - those people are paid. If I were one of them, I wouldn’t waste my time with all this text. I would just email the instance owner a cease and desist and escalate from there.
Is it is some project or business to make USA copyright convention a world wide standard, ignoring that even in Joyce’s home focus of Ireland the work is no longer copyrighted?
You’ve got a great imagination. No, again. But let’s think through this again, instead of just taking my word for it.
Authors produce a peice of work and copyright it, usually with their government, if their government has copyright law. I can’t imagine James Joyce had a copyright office when writing their first works. But how, then, are you reading my words?! THE INTERNET!
The internet fucked everything up. Governments were and are still trying to control the laws in their country, but we’re sharing data across the globe. Not to mention, governments typically don’t exist to protect copyright holders, they typically exist to you know… run a country and what not. Governments can and are influenced by money, and that affects copyright laws, yes.
So, “is this some project or business to make USA copyright convention a world wide standard” is a little strangely worded. Let’s take disney for example: disney made a movie, and that movie is copywritten. Disney is in the US and so we’re talking about US copyright law. Copying a disney movie and watching it in Egypt is illegal by US law. Great, so who’s going to enforce that? I don’t know, ask legal eagle or something. It’s an interesting topic but I don’t really care to try to guess at international law. If pressed, I would say that it might take a major international event to do anything to the person in Egypt but technically I guess they could arrest them if they set foot on US soil, including maybe embassys.
But that’s watching or consuming content, who cares! And yes, largely copyright holders don’t go after consumers of content, they go after distributors. And therein we get to the crux of the issue: websites are content distribution platforms, and distribute content. Copywritten content on a platform is then distributed, making the site admins distributors and thus subject to law.
But who’s law?! Well, the law of the land of the copyright holder, of course. You can totally send cease and desist letters internationally, even if the people don’t need to comply. It’s scary and it gets results. And reasonably, people can argue that the laws of country xyz apply to a site because the site can be accessed in country xyz. This is where we get into the concept of “gating” or limiting access to content by geographic means. It sucks but it keeps the sites up and operating.
So bringing it back to you… I saw that you were copying the entire book here, and I was curious if that was under public domain. Knowing the general fuckery of these copyright holders I assumed it wouldn’t and found the link to the foundation that analysed the works. That document said 2035 for this book, but if you’re saying that the book was published in ireland well this is fascinating if true but also I don’t really care. I don’t even know who this author is (though I’ve heard their name) and I know these are old books so I don’t know who would even send a cease and desist letter to begin with.
Going around openly saying you are out to demonstrate other people are idiots…
Those are your words, not mine. I’m not interested in trying to demonstrate other people are idiots. I am an idiot and i own up to it, nothing more than that.
I think is a pretty well paved path to try and drag down societies in total. “The chief deficiency I see in the skeptical movement is its polarization: Us vs. Them — the sense that we have a monopoly on the truth; that those other people who believe in all these stupid doctrines are morons; that if you’re sensible, you’ll listen to us; and if not, to hell with you. This is nonconstructive. It does not get our message across. It condemns us to permanent minority status.” ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
Great book, though I haven’t finished reading it myself.
Again, sorry if I miscommunicated. I am harsh around people who push harmful misinformation or have bigoted views towards others. But when it comes to topics like this, I’m just interested, and having a conversation.
Remember, I posted the link to the archive.org page. I’m a bad little boy too… or whatever. Information wants to be free. Capitalists want to profit. Hell, other people want to jump in and claim other peoples profits as their own as well.
The main draw for all of this passion is that I’ve been a web developer for many years, I’ve seen how DMCA takedowns work and how effective they are. I want to see lemmy thrive, and I know a lot of users and new admins are getting into this and may not understand some of the risks they are taking. Reddit, on the other hand, is a company that has lawyers to deal with these things, and who know what is and isn’t posing a risk to them by being online. There’s no such resource for lemmy. I guess you could say I’m half-assed trying to be that resource. But yeah, for this book, from ireland, for this author, with a link on archive.org already, you’re probably fine.
